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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (28)Posted:Nov 17, 2002-9:17 PM
By: Christian Madsen(Member)

Some months ago I found the CD release of Alfred Newman's "The Robe".
It was released on a label called "Trax Classics Soundtracks", a division of Filmtrax.
There are 2 other versions available released by Varese Sarabande and 20th Cent. Fox (Arista)
Do they contain the same as my Filmtrax CD?

I would like to get some more information about this company "Filmtrax". Which other titles did they release?
I have the following in my own collection:
Richard Hartley: An Awfully Big Adwenture
Alfred Newman: The Robe
Lalo Schifrin: The 4th Protocol
..
Some titles I have heard about but never seen:
Elmer Bernstein: The Man With The Golden Arm
Michael Hoenig: The Blob
If you know other releases, please post below.

NP. The Best of Henry Mancini (an old 2 LP set)

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (33)Posted:Nov 17, 2002-9:59 PM
By: Bill Finn(Member)

I do not know who operated the Filmtrax label, but they gave us several classic reissues way back when CDs were just starting out. Others I remember are SPARTACUS and THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM. Along with THE ROBE, these were all reissues of the original Decca LPs. I still have all three CDs. The version of THE ROBE from FOX is a first ever release of the exact film soundtrack. Besides being in stereo, it includes music not on the original Decca recording, but the opposite is also true. I think the crucifixion scene is not on the FOX CD, but is on the Decca/Filmtrax. To me they are complimentary CDs and should both be in the collection of any Newman fan.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (39)Posted:Nov 17, 2002-10:37 PM
By: Eric Paddon(Member)

Agreed. Both "The Robe" and "The Egyptian" necessitate having all different CD releases in order to have most of the actual music.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (44)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-4:51 AM
By: Originalthinkr@aol.com(Member)

The Decca version, released as a CD by Varese, is a mono sound re-recording of the score, with Newman conducting. It's identical to the Filmtrax Cd, so there's no need to buy one if you have the other.

The 20th Century-Fox-label CD is, of course, the original soundtrack from the film, in stereo, minus some too-badly-damaged cues, and with a few cues in mono.

It's really necessary to have both to realize the fullest possible representation of the score.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (49)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-12:34 PM
By: JEC(Member)

Doug Fake mentioned THE BLOB in his May, 2001 column on rare soundtracks:

http://www.intrada.com/doug/doug0501.htm

It has been showing up a lot on Ebay lately, it seems.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (55)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-5:25 PM
By: Ron Pulliam(Member)

The Decca version, released as a CD by Varese, is a mono sound re-recording of the score, with Newman conducting. It's identical to the Filmtrax Cd, so there's no need to buy one if you have the other.

The 20th Century-Fox-label CD is, of course, the original soundtrack from the film, in stereo, minus some too-badly-damaged cues, and with a few cues in mono.

It's really necessary to have both to realize the fullest possible representation of the score.

You might be interested to know that it is now possible to release a complete OST to "The Robe" with the missing material and in better sound than was possible back in 1991.

With next year being the film's 50th anniversary (and what better time for Fox to do a remastering for DVD????), the opportunity could also be ripe for a complete release of the score!

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (60)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-7:42 PM
By: manderley(Member)

"....it is now possible to release a complete OST to "The Robe"...."

This is very interesting. Has Fox found some new elements in good condition and in stereo, and if so, where have they been lurking that no one bothered to investigate in 1991?

Also, regarding the new DVD of "The Robe", although it isn't any special edition with a particularly large number of special added items, it IS digitally remastered in better quality sound and picture than the last laserdisc. It is also the "new" negative, with the amended writer credits as decreed by the WGA (in response to the blacklist regarding writer Albert Maltz).

Parenthetic to all of this, the DVDs of "Lawrence Of Arabia" and "Friendly Persuasion" also have new amended writer credits on their main titles. Although I don't know how the studio has creatively done this---though probably through CGI---the "fix" seems to be flawless and pictorially indetectible.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (65)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-8:09 PM
By: joec(Member)

You might be interested to know that it is now possible to release a complete OST to "The Robe" with the missing material and in better sound than was possible back in 1991.

With next year being the film's 50th anniversary (and what better time for Fox to do a remastering for DVD????), the opportunity could also be ripe for a complete release of the score!

Seems when the Fox (Arista) CD was produced in 1991, the producers were reluctant to include any material which was considered "damaged" for fear that potential listeners would reject it. However, given the technological improvements over the last 10 years and the awareness of a more dedicated "fan base", perhaps some enterprising label (Varese, Percepto or Intrata, maybe) may "re-vist" THE ROBE and give it an ultimate release.

The ROBE and CinemaScope had it world premiere almost 50 years ago at New york's ROXY Theatre. The event made front page news around the world. Only the introduction of sound movies in 1926-27 was given the same treatment by the news media. Fox should plan something special for this important anniversary in motion pictures.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (70)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-9:27 PM
By: cinemel(Member)

"The ROBE and CinemaScope had it world premiere almost 50 years ago at New york's ROXY Theatre. The event made front page news around the world. Only the introduction of sound movies in 1926-27 was given the same treatment by the news media. Fox should plan something special for this important anniversary in motion pictures."

They ought to put "The Robe" together with "Demetrius & the Gladiators," its sequel and re-release both of them next year. Together they would just run 4 hours. With remastered sound it would make quite an epic. By the way they did release the two of them on a double bill many years ago before the advent of home VCR's. They did the same with "Peyton Place" and its trashy sequel "Return to Peyton Place" (which has never had its score released commercially).

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (76)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-9:57 PM
By: Ron Pulliam(Member)

Re: What is available now that wasn't in 1991 -- basically, what JoeC said, plus "technology."

The folks who have been restoring this material know so much more now than they did then -- FSM's release of "The Egyptian" is a case study. When Nick Redman saved what he could of that score in the early 90s, it was considered nearly unusable, but it was saved. Technology took a few leaps forward and suddenly that music from "The Egyptian" became viable by the late 90s..

I remember reading somewhere that the "Crucifixion" music was always "possible" but that it would have been a greater cost because they would have had to go to a different source requiring more time and work to obtain it. As they had more than an hour that was releasable, the decision-makers decided at that time to go with what they had.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (82)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-10:19 PM
By: CH-CD(Member)

Anyone know if Decca have any unreleased tracks from Alfred Newman's re-recording of his score,for the original 1953 soundtrack album lying around in their vaults ???
That would be nice for the 50th Anniversary next year.

PS. Filmtrax also released Bernstein's "The Ten Commandments" back in 1988, his re-issue version.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (87)Posted:Nov 18, 2002-10:39 PM
By: cinemel(Member)


PS. Filmtrax also released Bernstein's "The Ten Commandments" back in 1988, his re-issue version.

It would be nice to have the original "Ten Commandments" recording of E. Bernstein's score.
It was released on Dot in mono. I have the vinyl and it is somewhat different from the re-recording in stereo. Wasn't the original recorded in stereo for the film's soundtrack?
If it was recorded in stereo, why wasn't that recording used?

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (92)Posted:Nov 19, 2002-12:07 AM
By: Bill Finn(Member)

I believe that the TEN COMMANDMENTS was released before stereo was available on LPs. The stereo soundtrack was recorded and released soemwhat later (1960)?

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (97)Posted:Nov 19, 2002-12:49 AM
By: joec(Member)

I believe that the TEN COMMANDMENTS was released before stereo was available on LPs. The stereo soundtrack was recorded and released soemwhat later (1960)?

You are right! Both the mono and stereo releases were differnt re-records done at different times. The original TEN COMMANDMENTS stereo film masters have never been offically released.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (102)Posted:Nov 19, 2002-2:29 AM
By: Originalthinkr@aol.com(Member)

Blacklisted screenwriter Michael Wilson's name was also added to new prints and video master of THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI (available on DVD).

In most cases, it's not that difficult to add the credit, as long as the original camera negative (or subsequent inter-negative) still exists, which contains the footage used for the Main Title before the lettering was added optically.

For the adding of Wilson's name to the Maibn title of LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, the hard part was -- surprisingly -- matching the typeface chosen by producer Sam Spiegel for the original credits. A lot of trial-and-error was involved, eventually consuming a lot of money and man- (and, I magine, woman-)hours.

As for THE ROBE, we can hope that Fox might decide to re-relase the DVD of the film (they are re-doing a whole slate of previously released titles, with audio commentary tracks and limited archival bonus materials), but remember that it and DEMETRIUS AND THE GLADIATORS' release was timed to conicide with, aned capitalize on, the success of GLADIATOR (and that was only about a year ago, which makes the prospect of another, re-mastered version slim. The film's impending 50th anniversary is unlikely to stimulate Fox's corporate profit bloodlust).

What Fox needs to do is release THE ROBE's 1.33 : 1

flat version which, as far as I'm concerned, is superior to the CinemaScope prints.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (108)Posted:Nov 19, 2002-5:12 AM
By: doug raynes(Member)

It would be nice to have the original "Ten Commandments" recording of E. Bernstein's score. It was released on Dot in mono. I have the vinyl and it is somewhat different from the re-recording in stereo.

The original mono recording was issued on a CD issued in Japan on the the MCA Victor label (MVCM-22041) although the the CD gave no indication that it was the original recording.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (113)Posted:Nov 19, 2002-9:39 AM
By: Originalthinkr@aol.com(Member)

Yes, and the Japan Victor CD used the packaging from the MCA domestic release of the stereo version: hence, the timings on the back of the Japanese album are for the stereo cuts, which differ from the mono.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (118)Posted:Nov 19, 2002-10:49 AM
By: Joe Caps(Member)


PS. Filmtrax also released Bernstein's "The Ten Commandments" back in 1988, his re-issue version.

It would be nice to have the original "Ten Commandments" recording of E. Bernstein's score.
It was released on Dot in mono. I have the vinyl and it is somewhat different from the re-recording in stereo. Wasn't the original recorded in stereo for the film's soundtrack?
If it was recorded in stereo, why wasn't that recording used?
when the Ten Commandments film and album was to be done in 1960, Dot Records sent letters to Paramount asking for the raw stereo sessions. Paramount replied that they didn't know where they were. I talked to Elmer Bernstein about this when I was remixing theTen Commandments for the stereo laserdisc. Elmer claims he did NOT conduct the 1960 dot stereo recording. he, of course did the original and the 1966 United Artists album recording. Go figure.

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (123)Posted:Nov 19, 2002-11:12 AM
By: Originalthinkr@aol.com(Member)

It had to be Erich Kloss!

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Alfred Newman's THE ROBE -Filmtrax (129)Posted:Nov 19, 2002-2:31 PM
By: Ron Pulliam(Member)

I believe that the TEN COMMANDMENTS was released before stereo was available on LPs. The stereo soundtrack was recorded and released soemwhat later (1960)?

I don't know exactly when stereophonic LPs were first issued, but I know that RCA issued a single-LP stereo version of "Raintree County" in addition to the 2-LP mono. And the 1958 issue of "South Pacific" came out in both stereo and mono that same year. "Peyton Place" was issued in mono and stereo in 1957.

I think it was pre-1960. Capitol issued "The King and I" and "Carousel" -- both of them 1956 films -- in both mono and stereo.

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